“Raison d’Être”

An Out4STEM student reflects on cadavers, safe spaces, and STEM

by Tosef Katriel

I joined Out4STEM because of the frustration and loneliness I feel as a queer person interested in science fields. It is the only science-oriented place where I feel safe, as a transgender person, to talk about my experiences in life. I feel angry and drained after most science classes because they offer out-dated information about things like gender and sex, or the environment of the class is simply unsafe for me to talk about my experiences without being sexually harassed because of my queerness.  For example, I have had biology professors ask me questions about my genitals and “biological sex.”  I have had nursing students ask me how many years I have to be on hormones before I start producing the right gametes.  I have had people insist I drop out of a STEM field and go to fashion school instead, because those people cannot see me as anything but a stereotype.  Overall, the curiosity scientists have towards transgender people is high, but I often feel objectified by their curiosity. Out4STEM is like a shining oasis in the desert.  I don’t have to worry about people degrading me because I am openly transgender. The environment of the program is one of understanding and sympathy.  I am never the only person in the room who knows what it’s like to be alienated because I am queer.  The people who attend the program are all dynamic and inspire me to work hard.

I have always had an interest in science, but Out4STEM showed me things I could have never imagined.  My high school couldn’t afford most labs, so it used old, broken lab equipment.  Going to the cadaver lab with Out4STEM was life-changing because I got exposure to what it’s really like being in medicine.  Suddenly, I can see myself becoming a doctor.  Before, the image of medical school that I had was that it would never welcome someone like me.  I thought that I was too poor, too queer, or too opinionated.  I never even thought to dream of becoming a doctor.  Now, I have a glimpse of the life of a medical student and I see that is something I could achieve.  The barriers I felt before no longer seem so imposing.

Everyone I’ve met attending Out4STEM has offered me great advice and carried the whole-hearted belief that I can do great things for the community.  Nobody doubts my ability, and everyone’s eyes light up when I describe my goals.  People see the validity of my goals – I don’t have to justify wanting to help marginalized communities.  The people in the room with me are the ones who will be impacted directly by what I hope to achieve.  It feels great to look at the other people in the program and know they will be my coworkers someday.  I can’t wait to someday work together with the people I’ve met at this program.

Navigating “Professionalism” for Queer and Trans Folks

by Karim

For better or worse, “professionalism” is often required to get the things we need: a job, a paycheck, and housing. However, if we see it for what it is (a means to an end, rather than something to adopt, internalize, or assimilate into), we can find and create spaces which are comfortable and get us what we need. For example, one of our students who identifies as agender and non-binary described how slacks and a colorful scarf help them maintain a comfortable gender expression without offending anybody’s sensibility around “professional” expectations. This is necessary in situations where acting “professional” might affect your access to resources or employment.

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We had a panel of people who work in human resources, admissions committees, and in the STEM field talk to us about professionalism as they relate to queer and trans issues.

For the nitty gritty details about what mainstream or conservative workplaces (like hospitals) tend to consider “professional,” check this interview guide kindly provided to us by Colleen Diercksen at the University of Pennsylvania Health System’s H.R. department: Interviewing Guide

Emma Grigore from Wharton Human Resources at Penn, talked a bit about ‘networking.’ This is something we get stuck on a lot. People sing the praises of networking, and one poll found that 80% of today’s jobs are filled through people’s personal and professional connections. However, this only works well if you have a resource-rich network. By definition, marginalized communities are going to be at a disadvantage in their ability to access certain networks, so Emma emphasized how important it is to advocate for yourself!

Being your own advocate means asking for help when you need help. It means recognizing opportunities that people around you can help you access, and actively pursuing them. Hustle! Maybe someone whose work you admire needs an assistant, or maybe their organization will have a job opening in the near future. Maybe you can volunteer for an organization, which can often create a stable structure for seeking mentorship and having a more direct line to information about more opportunities in a field that interests you. Volunteering is a great way to build relationships (and those relationships become your network).

Be polite, but have no shame! You might send many emails that go unanswered, you might have conversations with people who just smile and shoo you away, but if you know what you want, asking the right person the right question can open doors for you. There is no magic to this, there are no guarantees, but luck favors people who are prepared. You should read as much as you can about the field you’re interested in. This will make you more confident in engaging people in conversations about your interests, and it will show people that you are passionate. (Being your own advocate also means knowing your rights and how to defend them, more on that later).

In discussing interview etiquette and expectations, Quincy Greene from Q Spot Philly made an important point: “If you don’t know what’s expected of you, then ask!” Do I need to wear a tie? Where can I wait if I arrive early? Asking questions doesn’t make you sound ignorant, it means that you are conscientious and thoughtful. If a young person asking questions is met with impatience or nastiness, that is a SURE sign that this will not be a supportive environment in which to work or learn.

A lot of the advice you’ll get about finding a job applies to getting into college. Amy Smith, who reads applications to the University of Pennsylvania, discussed some of what admissions committees are looking for. These ideas apply to most college admissions processes: Can they demonstrate that they’ve done their research about the school, and that they’ll make use of the school’s resources? How does your passion show up in the world? What impact might you have on the campus and more broadly? In terms of concerns for queer and other marginalized students, Amy said that experiences of adversity demonstrate resilience, and while there are no expectations, or at least there should not be any expectations that a certain person have a certain experience, surviving in the face of adversity can only be interpreted positively.

Michael Nairn, a professor of Urban Studies at Penn, also stressed the fact that, there is always some luck and bias involved. It’s best to enter any application process with the expectation that you’ll often get rejected, and sometimes you’ll get accepted. Knowing that some people, employers, or organizations will see your value and that others will not is all the more reason to put out an authentic representation of yourself, and to set boundaries that keep you feeling happy and safe. No one should ever make you feel like you can’t be “out,” and equally, no one should make you feel like you have to be “out” or identify yourself in any pre-prescribed way. Our identities are processes, and we are all constantly renegotiating them in order to stay safe and get our economic, emotional, and spiritual needs met.


So, returning to the idea of being your own advocate: this also means knowing what your rights are. Most importantly, you should speak up when you’re treated unfairly, when you are not receiving the support you are entitled to, or when you are being asked questions or assigned tasks that are unreasonable or straight-up discriminatory. Knowing your job description, what your responsibilities are (and are not), and what pay or compensation you are entitled to will help you defend your rights.

There are some things interviewers should not be asking you about. Sometimes people break the rules, by asking about your family or whether you have children, so it’s important to know that you have the right to not answer questions. For a college admissions interview you should contact the school’s administration if you think you’ve been treated unfairly. In a job interview, you’ll want to contact a manager or supervisor of the person who interviewed you. Check out this guide for more information about your rights during a job search.

Knowing your rights is helpful, but defending them and fighting for them can be hard or scary! Check out Legal Services at Mazzoni for help and advice, particularly as it pertains to discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity.

For the time being, free-market capitalism is what queer and trans people have to deal with, and that means that most of us will need to find jobs in order to continue transmitting queer radiance. If you’re someone that likes to think about alternative ways to exist in the world, check out Queer Survival Economies.